TidBITS#451/19-Oct-98
=====================

  Steve Jobs capped last week by announcing $106 million in
  quarterly earnings, a profitable year, and the long-awaited Mac OS
  8.5. The positive financials are great, but everyone wants to know
  about Mac OS 8.5, so Technical Editor Geoff Duncan delves into the
  important new features and major conflicts. Also, Adam presents
  his ideas for reviving old software, and we report on the release
  of Keep It Up 2.0.1 and the numerous problem reports about Norton
  Utilities 4.0.

Topics:
    MailBITS/19-Oct-98
    Electronic Phoenix Project
    Getting Started with Mac OS 8.5

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MailBITS/19-Oct-98
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**iMac Propels Apple to $106 Million in Earnings** -- Citing
  streamlined operations and strong unit shipments, Apple Computer
  has announced earnings of $106 million for the fiscal quarter
  ending 25-Sep-98. For the fiscal year, Apple's revenue totalled
  $5.9 billion, with net earnings of $309 million, marking Apple's
  first profitable fiscal year since 1995. Although total revenue
  dipped slightly from the same quarter a year ago, Apple's nest egg
  grew by more than $300 million to a total of $2.3 billion in cash
  and short-term investments. Apple's ending inventory was a lean
  $78 million, or approximately six days of inventory.

<http://www.apple.com/pr/library/1998/oct/14fy98q4rel.html>

  Apple's renewed financial health is due in part to the iMac's
  popularity. Apple says it shipped more than 278,000 iMacs during
  the product's first six weeks, making the iMac the fastest selling
  Mac ever. These strong sales may indicate the iMac could help
  expand Apple's market share: Apple grew faster than the overall
  computer industry last quarter. Further, while a telephone survey
  of almost 2,000 early iMac buyers revealed the majority of
  purchasers (58 percent) were previous Macintosh owners, a
  surprising 29.4 percent were new computer purchasers, and 12.5
  percent owned Intel-based PCs. [GD]

<http://www.apple.com/pr/library/1998/oct/14imacresults.html>


**Keep It Up 2.0.1 Adds Remote Management** -- Karl Pottie has
  released Keep It Up 2.0.1, a major upgrade to his $22 shareware
  server application monitoring tool. Along with a few tweaks from
  the previous 1.4.1 version, Keep It Up 2.0.1 adds the capability
  to manage your Mac server remotely via a Web browser. Through its
  embedded Web server (which runs on a user-specified port and is
  password-protected), Keep It Up 2.0.1 can provide general
  information about your server (including uptime, system load, free
  memory, and free disk space), restart or shut down the machine,
  quit running applications, and launch user-specified applications.
  Although Keep It Up 2.0.1 won't replace a remote control tool like
  Timbuktu Pro, the new features are extremely welcome. Keep It Up
  2.0.1 is a 235K download. [ACE]

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**Norton Utilities 4.0 Problem Reports Abound** -- The much-
  awaited release of Norton Utilities 4.0 may have come too soon.
  Numerous people (including TidBITS staff members) have experienced
  problems - some resulting in significant data loss - after using
  Norton Disk Doctor 4.0. The problems vary (see TidBITS Talk and
  MacFixIt), but we recommend that you uninstall system-level
  components of Norton Utilities 4.0 and avoid running Norton Disk
  Doctor, particularly if you use a third-party disk formatter. The
  most important thing you can do is to make sure you have multiple
  current backups. If you wish to continue running Norton Utilities
  4.0, download the 4.0.1 updater, along with a Norton Disk Doctor
  Special Edition that fits on a floppy and runs only if you boot
  from the Norton Utilities CD-ROM. (This is necessary because you
  can't update the version of Norton Disk Doctor on the CD-ROM.)
  Also, if you use Norton AntiVirus for Macintosh 5.0, get the
  Norton AntiVirus 5.0.2 update, which addresses potentially serious
  problems with Norton Utilities 4.0. [ACE]

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Electronic Phoenix Project
--------------------------
  by Adam C. Engst <ace@tidbits.com>

  Last week, in TidBITS-450_, I wrote about the demise of Emailer
  and problems with Apple's options. Briefly, continuing to develop
  Emailer would be expensive, marketing it as a commercial product
  would be unlikely to pay off, and giving it away would irritate
  developers. Selling the code to another company remains a
  possibility, but any company that purchased Emailer would have to
  devote significant resources to competing in a tight and well-
  covered market.

<http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=05129>


**A Not-So-Modest Proposal** -- If none of the possibilities above
  are open to Apple, the question then becomes what _should_ happen
  to Emailer? Allow me to propose the founding of an Internet-based
  non-profit organization called the Electronic Phoenix Project, or
  EPP. This organization's mission would be to provide a home for
  programs that the authors wish to donate, to coordinate Internet
  programming teams, and to distribute updated versions.

  Authors might donate programs for a variety of reasons. Perhaps
  the code is old and would require a significant rewrite.
  (Reportedly, Emailer uses the Think Class Libraries and would need
  to be moved to a present-day development environment.) Maybe an
  author wants to move on without stranding loyal users. Or, as with
  Emailer, perhaps the user base is sufficiently motivated and vocal
  that they can convince a company to release the code. I can't see
  Apple responding to calls to revise Emailer, but I could see them
  releasing the code, particularly if it involves a significant tax
  write-off.

  Linux has shown that programmers can work together over the
  Internet to create complex commercial quality products. Linux is a
  best-case scenario, since Linux contribitors are likely to be
  familiar with the intricacies of systems development. (For more on
  Linux, see "Running Linux on Your Mac" in TidBITS-407_.) Still,
  FreePPP stands as an example of Macintosh software created by a
  group of Internet programmers, and there's no reason the technique
  couldn't work for other programs. The ability to attract competent
  developers will separate programs with serious backing from those
  with fair-weather fan clubs.

<http://www.linux.org/>
<http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=04533>
<http://www.rockstar.com/ppp.shtml>

  Room abounds for creativity regarding software distribution.
  Software maintained by the Electronic Phoenix Project could be
  free, but that's not necessary. Why not make some EPP software
  shareware, with the proceeds going back to the EPP to maintain
  operations? Individuals could join the EPP as contributing
  partners and receive free registration for all EPP software.
  Corporations could join as well, both for free registrations and
  for non-exclusive access to the source code library, perhaps with
  the stipulation that all modifications be donated back to the EPP.
  (That's a bit like how the FreePPP Group, for whom I handle
  licensing, allows source licensing.)


**Obstacles** -- I won't pretend that founding and operating the
  Electronic Phoenix Project would be easy, and I'm not volunteering
  my nonexistent spare time. But the idea has merit; with properly
  motivated people, it could have an effect similar to the one Linux
  has had.

  I am not suggesting that the EPP undertake development on its own.
  Nor do I think that the EPP should engage in industry advocacy or
  diverge from providing infrastructure and coordination for
  abandoned software. Such organizations tend to run into political
  infighting and disagreements over direction. Instead, the EPP
  should restrict itself to functions directly related to its stated
  task, things like providing technical infrastructure (mailing
  lists, FTP space, and Web space), logistical coordination
  (suggestions for how to run an Internet software project), legal
  assistance (contracts, distribution agreements, etc.), and
  distribution assistance.

  The Electronic Phoenix Project should start small - with old
  freeware and shareware programs - before attempting to adopt
  something the size and complexity of Emailer. Aside from the
  infrastructure and logistical issues, the EPP might need to
  provide legal assurances to the original owner. A known entity
  with a track record might have the necessary negotiating clout to
  convince a large company that code could leave the premises. Such
  an entity could also sign necessary licensing agreements for
  included code, such as the StuffIt Engine and America Online
  access code included in Emailer. (The Mailsmith FAQ notes "America
  Online has discontinued their third-party development program and
  no longer makes available the necessary information we would need
  to make Mailsmith talk to AOL." I wouldn't be surprised if AOL
  made future changes that caused problems for Emailer users
  accessing AOL.)


**Possible Candidates for Adoption** -- Although this idea came
  from the current plight of Emailer, there's nothing new about
  software disappearing for reasons unrelated to quality or utility.
  Here's a short list of products that people have suggested as
  candidates for rescue. Some could happen; others undoubtedly stand
  no chance of resurrection.

* AddressBook
* Cyberdog
* DayMaker
* FullWrite
* GlobeTrotter
* InfoDepot
* MORE
* mTropolis
* ThoughtPattern


**Moving Toward Reality** -- Enough fantasy. The Electronic
  Phoenix Project will rise from the ashes of obsolete software
  _only_ if enough people are willing to take up the cause. Let's
  move the discussion to TidBITS Talk, and if there's enough
  interest, I'll be happy to start additional mailing lists and
  provide Web and FTP space to help the Electronic Phoenix Project
  take wing.

<http://www.tidbits.com/search/talk.html>


Getting Started with Mac OS 8.5
-------------------------------
  by Geoff Duncan <geoff@tidbits.com>

  The wait is over: with considerable fanfare, Apple last week
  released Mac OS 8.5, billing it as a smarter, faster version of
  the Mac OS with enhanced Internet integration and a raft of new
  features. The good news is that these claims are all true, and
  although Mac OS 8.5 isn't an ideal upgrade for all Macintosh
  owners or everything Mac owners dreamed about, it is a solid leap
  forward, with significant new capabilities and under-the-hood
  transformations.

<http://www.apple.com/macos/>


**Just the Facts** -- Mac OS 8.5 requires a PowerPC-based
  Macintosh with at least 16 MB of RAM (Apple recommends 24 MB; I
  recommend even more). Unlike previous releases, Mac OS 8.5 does
  _not_ support 68040-based Macs, or 68K-based machines upgraded to
  PowerPC processors. A bare-bones installation requires about 50 MB
  of disk space; recommended and optional components boost that to
  150 MB and higher.

  Mac OS 8.5 is available on CD-ROM for $99 from the Apple Store and
  for lower prices from Apple dealers and TidBITS sponsors Cyberian
  Outpost and Small Dog Electronics. If you bought Mac OS 8.1 after
  14-Sep-98 you can upgrade to Mac OS 8.5 for $20 using an upgrade
  coupon available in PDF format. If you recently bought a Mac
  without Mac OS 8.5, you may be able to upgrade for $20 via Apple's
  Mac OS Up-to-Date program.

<http://store.apple.com/>
<http://www.apple.com/macos/files/macos85coupon_us.pdf>
<http://www.apple.com/macos/up-to-date/>


**Installing Mac OS 8.5** -- For most users, installing Mac OS 8.5
  will be simple - the installer application is straightforward and
  had no problems with clean installations or installing over
  existing system folders in my testing. If you're using third-party
  hard disk drivers, make sure they're compatible with Mac OS 8.5
  before you install _and_ make sure the Mac OS 8.5 installer
  doesn't replace them with Apple's disk drivers. Do let the
  installer update any Apple disk drivers. You should also write
  down your TCP/IP and dial-up settings before installing Mac OS
  8.5. If you're using Open Transport, you can export your settings,
  then import them after installation.

  The Mac OS 8.5 installer permits customization of packages before
  installation begins and can add and remove selected software once
  Mac OS 8.5 is installed.

  As always, make a full backup of your Mac before installing new
  system software. If you aren't reliably and consistently backing
  up your data, you must. This has nothing to do with Mac OS 8.5:
  it's just common sense.

<http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbser=1041>


**Performance** -- The first thing many Mac OS 8.5 users will
  notice is that it's faster than previous versions of the Mac OS -
  sometimes much faster. One advantage of developing Mac OS 8.5 only
  for PowerPC-based Macs is that Apple was able to rewrite major
  portions of the core operating system using PowerPC-native code.
  Areas of the operating system that see the most benefit include
  QuickDraw and QuickDraw Text (the Mac OS's fundamental graphics
  and text rendering tools); routines that handle menus, controls,
  icons, lists, windows, and dialogs; and internal event management.

  Mac OS 8.5 also includes a new PowerPC-native version of
  AppleScript, which Apple claims can be as much as five times
  faster than earlier versions. Scripts I tested typically run more
  than twice as fast as they did under Mac OS 8.1. Apple is also
  touting improved network performance, which is generally true, but
  the greatest benefits are seen between systems running Mac OS 8.5
  on high-speed 100Base-T Ethernet networks.


**Application Switcher** -- After installing Mac OS 8.5, you'll
  notice the Application menu on the far right of the menubar sports
  the name of the current application along with the application's
  icon. Long-time Mac users may find this annoying, but it's
  beneficial to less sophisticated Mac users, who often have trouble
  figuring out which application is in the foreground if it lacks
  open windows. A small vertical beam enables you to reduce or
  eliminate the amount of space given to the application name.

  You can tear the new Application menu off the menubar entirely -
  drag your cursor off the bottom of the menu until an outline
  appears, then release the mouse button. Now you're looking at the
  Application Switcher, a floating palette that displays your
  currently running applications as buttons, and lets you switch
  between them by clicking. You can also switch between applications
  at any time by pressing Command-Tab.

  The Application Switcher is capable and configurable. You can drag
  & drop items onto running applications, and Option-clicking an
  application switches to that program while hiding the current one.
  Similarly, clicking the palette's zoom box  hides or shows
  application names, Option-clicking the palette's zoom box toggles
  between large and small icons, and Option-Shift-clicking the
  palette's zoom box toggles between horizontal and vertical
  displays.

  You can change the Command-Tab shortcut for moving between
  programs (it can interfere with HyperCard, FileMaker Pro, and
  other applications). The new HTML-based Mac OS Help features a
  script to change the key combination; look under "Files and
  Programs." You can also change the key combination and other
  options using a third-party utility such as SwitcherSetter from
  Chris Gervais, or the stack in the HyperCard Update folder on the
  Mac OS 8.5 CD-ROM. Some of Application Switcher's more obscure
  capabilities are accessible only via these utilities or
  AppleScript.

<http://www.channel1.com/users/cg601/aso/>


**Finder Features** -- The Mac OS 8.5 Finder boasts many new
  features, some of which are subtle. You can finally resize and
  (except for the Name column) reorder the columns in Finder list
  views, and you can use the Finder Preferences to create default
  settings for all Finder views, then convert any Finder window to
  those settings using its View Options dialog.

  Folder windows now display proxy icons in their title bars; you
  can drag these proxies directly to a different location without
  having to open the window's parent folder, locate the item you
  want to move, and then move it. You can also scroll Finder windows
  without using the scrollbars by Command-dragging in the content
  area.

  The Finder's Get Info windows feature multiple panels for general
  information, sharing privileges, memory settings (for
  applications), and printer capabilities (for desktop printers).
  Each item is available directly via contextual menus as well as in
  the Get Info window.

  The Finder is smarter about email addresses and URLs. If you drag
  a URL or email address from an application like Eudora or BBEdit
  to the desktop, the Finder creates an Internet Location File
  instead of a text clipping. When you double-click an Internet
  Location File, the Finder uses your Internet preferences to handle
  it. Unfortunately, earlier versions of the Finder don't recognize
  Internet Location Files or treat them as text clippings, so
  exchanging the files with earlier versions of the Mac OS is
  awkward.

  The Finder sports new a new Add to Favorites command which creates
  an alias to a selected item in the new Favorites folder in the
  Apple menu. At first, Favorites seem like a half-baked attempt to
  add bookmarking capabilities to the Finder. However, Favorites are
  worth keeping an eye on since they tie in with Navigation
  Services, Mac OS 8.5's replacement for the awful modal Open and
  Save dialog boxes. Only a few applications (like Anarchie Pro)
  support Navigation Services currently. We'll talk more about
  Navigation Services soon.


**Celebrity Makeover** -- One anticipated feature in Mac OS 8.5 is
  support for themes, originally slated for Apple's long-defunct
  Copland OS project. Themes give users a high degree of control
  over the look and feel of their Mac, such as choosing window
  styles, system fonts, menu items, scrollbars, background pictures,
  buttons, and other interface elements. Several alternate themes
  have been heavily publicized, and Apple's failure to deliver theme
  support in previous versions of the Mac OS inspired products like
  Kaleidoscope, which has long provided much the same functionality.
  (Kaleidoscope has been updated to work with Mac OS 8.5.)

<http://www.kaleidoscope.net/>

  Mac OS 8.5 delivers on Apple's promise of theme support in the Mac
  OS, albeit not to the degree many Mac aficionados have expected.
  The new Appearance control panel subsumes the older Color,
  WindowShade, and Desktop Pictures control panels, providing a
  multi-tabbed interface for controlling various interface elements.
  (Mac OS 8.5 includes five new system fonts, but there are other
  font changes - for instance, Monaco has a new semi-serif look that
  takes some getting used to.) The Appearance control panel also
  enables you to have TrueType fonts smoothed (anti-aliased) above
  an arbitrary point size. Not all Macintosh applications are
  Appearance-savvy: some menus won't appear with proper fonts or
  colors, and some window elements might be out of place. For the
  most part, however, these problems are only cosmetic.

  Although Apple developers had access to Gizmo and Hi-Tech themes
  while Mac OS 8.5 was in development, Mac OS 8.5 ships with only
  one theme: Apple Platinum. I suspect this is a conservative move
  by Apple to protect the renowned Macintosh look and feel. Frankly,
  few things will drive a new computer buyer away from an iMac
  faster than the Gizmo theme, which turns a standard interface into
  a cacophony of color, clutter, and chaos. If you desire more
  customization, try Kaleidoscope. Further, although Apple hasn't
  released details on creating theme files, enthusiastic Mac
  programmers are already reverse-engineering Apple's themes and
  developing tools to create new ones. A few documents imply Apple
  and other companies may distribute new themes in the future.

  All that aside, sound tracks will be the love-hate feature of Mac
  OS 8.5's themes. Like the popular but long defunct SoundMaster
  control panel, themes can include a sound track for actions
  involving windows, menus, window controls, and various Finder
  actions. For instance, using Apple's Platinum sound track dragging
  a document across the screen causes a slight ticking, which even
  pans left to right as you move the document from side to side.
  Sounds play when windows open and close, when you select menus and
  menu items, when you scroll windows, and in response to many other
  events. I initially thought the Platinum sounds were distracting,
  but the sounds are surprisingly well thought-out, and now a silent
  Macintosh seems odd and somehow dry. Sound tracks aren't for
  everyone, but you might want to give them a chance.


**The Game's Afoot** -- The most-publicized new feature in Mac OS
  8.5 is Sherlock, which replaces the Mac OS's Find File. You still
  use Sherlock to hunt for files on local disks and servers - its
  functionality is much like Find File - but Sherlock can also
  search the contents of documents on indexed volumes and send
  queries to Internet search engines. Unlike Find File, you can keep
  multiple results windows open.

<http://www.apple.com/sherlock/>

  Sherlock's Find By Content capability is based on Apple's long-
  simmering V-Twin technology, which is now built into the Mac OS so
  applications besides Sherlock can use it too. (To see another
  instance, Control-click a text file in the Finder and choose
  Summarize File to Clipboard.) Searching by content requires that
  Sherlock first index the disk you want to search. This process can
  take hours and results in an index stored as a large, invisible
  file. (Luckily, you can schedule Sherlock to index in the middle
  of the night, and Sherlock can ignore items with a particular
  Finder label.) After it creates an index, Sherlock can quickly
  search the disk's contents and provide relevancy-ranked search
  results that you can sort by several criteria. To use Find By
  Content to best advantage, use a phrase that describes what you're
  looking for, rather than just a few keywords; also, take advantage
  of the Find Similar Files button. Because Sherlock indexes only
  entire disks rather than particular directories, some people will
  find it more useful than others. For instance, I'd love to have
  Sherlock index just TidBITS issues, articles I've written, and a
  few other folders, but since these items live on separate disks,
  the overhead might be excessive.

  Sherlock's most-advertised capability is to send queries to
  Internet search engines like AltaVista and Apple's Tech Info
  Library. Sherlock does this by using Internet Search Site plug-
  ins, which live in their own folder in the System Folder. The
  plug-ins tell Sherlock how to send a query to a particular search
  engine, how to interpret results from that site, and how often to
  check for plug-in updates. This means Sherlock is also a
  lightweight Web client: it sends a query to one or more search
  engines, then parses the HTML returned from those sites to display
  a results window. Clicking a search result often displays an
  abbreviated preview in the search results window; double-clicking
  a search result opens the item in your preferred Web browser.
  Sherlock's previews can contain banner advertisements from search
  sites, complete with animated GIFs. Although these banners are
  troubling precedents, their presence assures ad-driven sites that
  Sherlock users don't get the benefit of the site's searching
  capability without seeing advertising; otherwise, sites might ban
  Sherlock altogether.

  Mac OS 8.5 ships with six search site plug-ins. Dozens more are
  already available for Macintosh-related sites, and Apple has a
  page of additional plug-ins for general-interest sites. We've
  created a Sherlock plug-in to search TidBITS articles - try it out
  by downloading it and dragging it to your System Folder.

<http://www.apple.com/sherlock/plugins.html>
<http://www.tidbits.com/search/>

  Sherlock can also save search criteria to separate files - whether
  you're searching your hard disk or the Internet - making it easy
  to repeat frequent queries.


**Compatibility** -- Mac OS 8.5's compatibility is quite good:
  most extensions and applications run without problems, and
  surprisingly few current applications seem to suffer from cosmetic
  Appearance-related problems. Nonetheless, some widely used
  applications and utilities have problems with Mac OS 8.5: here's a
  quick run-down of common problems and fixes.

* Microsoft has released a 2.9 MB patch to the English language
  version of Office 98 to address a delay in menus drawing and solve
  layout inconsistencies between Mac OS versions. The update also
  fixes two problems that aren't specific to Mac OS 8.5.

<http://www.microsoft.com/macoffice/85update.htm>

* The QuickDay and QuickContact components of Now Contact and Now
  Up-to-Date have severe problems when configured to add menus to
  the menubar. Qualcomm recommends turning off menubar functions.

<http://eudora.qualcomm.com/techsupport/now/os85.html>

* Kensington has released MouseWorks 5.0.5 for compatibility with
  Mac OS 8.5.

<http://www.kensington.com/support/mwsmac1.html>

* There have been widespread reports of problems with Adobe ATM
  and ATM Deluxe with Mac OS 8.5. Several Adobe reps have confirmed
  privately that version 4.0.3 of both products works fine under Mac
  OS 8.5. I haven't found any problems with ATM 4.0.2, the version
  on the Mac OS 8.5 CD-ROM.

* I had severe crashing problems with Symantec's Suitcase 3.0.1
  extension; Symantec hasn't responded to my queries, or (so far as
  I can tell) acknowledged a problem.

* OneClick 1.0.3, the current version, is incompatible with Mac OS
  8.5. WestCode has said an update is forthcoming.

<http://www.westcodesoft.com/os85.html>


**Next Time** -- The next part of this article will examine some
  of Mac OS 8.5's features in greater detail, including AppleScript,
  Navigation Services, Internet and networking changes, additional
  software components, and new operating system features. In the
  meantime, please visit TidBITS Talk for more discussion about
  these and other Mac OS 8.5 features.

<http://www.tidbits.com/search/talk.html>


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